Communion and Obama

Recently, a South Carolina priest stated that parishioners who took communion risked their souls if they voted for Obama. From the link:

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

“Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president,” Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

“Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ’s Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation.”

At least there has been some dissent. From the same article:

“Father Newman is off base,” said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. “He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. … Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words.”

So, how does this work exactly? Were Newman’s words an accidental magical incantation that has now put the souls of all Obama voting Catholics at risk? One does need to worry about accidentally throwing evil spells around, lest the unwary have left their protective magic cloaks in the closet.

So, I wonder if Newman did a detailed analysis of McCain to discover that there was nothing, absolutely nothing about his policies that are contrary to Catholic dogma? I wonder if he considered that Obama actually does want to reduce the number of abortions without stripping away the rights of women? This single issue dogmatic approach to politics is short sighted, dangerous, and irresponsible. Even more dangerous are people like Newman consistently thrusting religion into the political sphere. Perhaps the tax exempt status for St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Greenville, South Caroliina should be stripped.


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12 Responses to “Communion and Obama”

  1. jonolan Says:

    There is very little that is more firmly against Catholic doctrine than Abortion. The priest is a good man counseling his parish to cleanse themselves of their sins before partaking of the Eucharist.

  2. Rev. Bud Green Says:

    In response to jonolan: Are you nuts dude, abortion is firmly against Catholic Doctrine? So, let me get this straight, slaying unborn children is not OK, but burning thousands of adults at the stake, during the Inquisition is OK. Your logic has stumped this heathen.

  3. liquidthinker Says:

    Thanks Rev. Bud, I’ve been meaning to get around to comments…

    Jonolan, I realize that many Christians seem to forget this, but if the Catholic Church was going strictly by the words of Jesus, wouldn’t the worse sin be to not feed the hungry, give to the poor, or help the sick or those in prison (I won’t get into that whole eunuchs thing, or whipping the money changers in the temple.)?

  4. jonolan Says:

    I’m not making any judgments for or against the theological views of the Catholics. I’m just stating that Catholic doctrine holds abortion and euthanasia as more inherently evil acts than almost any other acts. Catholic doctrine holds that there is never – except possibly to save the life of the mother – a valid excuse for abortion. Almost any other act can be – in albeit rare instances in some cases – justified.

  5. watercat Says:

    “The priest is a good man counseling his parish”

    So is Osama Bin Laden. They’re not “good men”, and for much the same reasons.

  6. jonolan Says:

    True. These men are very similar. One counsels against killing babies and one rants about killing Americans of any age. You might want to try thinking on occasion before posting – or leaving whoever’s house you live in.

  7. watercat Says:

    OK. I’ll think for both of us, since you aren’t able. OBL, Rev. Fatwa here, and apparently you, are theocrats who maintain that religious dogma takes precedence over civic law, and attempt sanctions on others who don’t follow their particular superstitions.

    Americans, OTOH, hold that the law takes precedence, including the freedom to vote freely without reprisals.

  8. liquidthinker Says:

    Just to weigh in here, I would have to point out that Newman was not simply counseling against killing babies. He was mixing politics and religion. I understand that abortion is an important issue for Catholics, although it should not be the deciding issue in a vote. If, for example, Roe v. Wade were overturned and women would be also be putting themselves at risk should they perceive an abortion as necessary. Isn’t the health and safety of sufficiently mature women important to church goers as well? The situation is not as black and white as Newman may wish it to be.

    As far as the church’s doctrine goes, Obama has stated he wants to minimize abortions as much as possible. Certainly that is consistent with church doctrine. The difference is that he would like to minimize it by enriching a social framework that does not restrict women’s rights (an area in which the church does not have a very good history, I’m afraid).

  9. jonolan Says:

    No, watercat and liquidthinker, Father Newman is a good Catholic pastor who correctly – according to the Vatican – applied the strictures of Catholicism to his parish. You can disagree with those tenets, but don;t try to villify a Priest for following them.

    Secular law does NOT take precedence over religion within the confines of the Church. Those “reprisals” you rant about in your gross ignorance are not reprisals at all, just guidance to acts of contrition and purification after a grievous sin.

    Guess what, watercat, a lot of Americans still have morality. I know this bothers you but it’s still true.

  10. watercat Says:

    The word know may not mean what you think it means, since I’m very reassured that most Americans have morality that more closely matches Obama’s than the alternative. Also that this self-righteous priest’s attempts to coerce people by denying them good standing in his clique are self-defeating, as people are increasingly willing to make their own moral decisions rather than letting them be overridden by the vatican.

    Secular law most certainly DOES take precedence within the confines of a church, so that cultists today can no longer burn witches in this country, nor can they tell people how to vote. Now read this slow and try to understand, we don’t care what silly rituals he has his cultists perform: we vilify him for forcing them to make a choice between American style democracy and good standing in his interpretation of religion. As does Osama BL. Personally I don’t consider that “good”.

  11. jonolan Says:

    Let me guess, watercat, your not only an atheist but an actual anti-theist. That would certainly explain your quite un-American hatred of religion and despite for the 1st Amendment. Have fun with that.

    We’re not going to agree because I won’t surrender to one of the godless, not on any important point of American society and law.

    I am glad thought that you put quotes around good. It does show a level of honesty on your part. Having no moral compass it would have been grossly improper for you to have implied that you had some understanding of right and wrong.

  12. watercat Says:

    You’re funny!

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